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 Post subject: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:29 am 

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Hello,

I followed the "change aspect ratio" tutorial and set it to 16:9. Still, when I export, the exported files is NOT in 16:9. What am I doing wrong?

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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:30 pm 

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Let's work backwards and ask some questions. 1....What exactly are you viewing the exported video on? MVW's output window?.... or it's input window or some other program? If it's not in 16/9 is it 4/3? Is it squashed, stretched, short, tall or what? In any of these cases the aspect ratio appearance of the video can be changed by changing the video settings in the program you are viewing it on. 2....When you export the video, are you reviewing the "template", "detail" settings and "save as type" before hitting "save" to export your project? Aspect ratio settings can be changed following this path: Save As window>Template>Expert>Par (Pick one of the ratio's.)>>>>assuming you are building a custom template.

Just a couple of thoughts. I don't use the 4 preloaded default "save as type" templates very much. I build my own with various custom settings and name each one carefully for reasons not unlike the problem you describe. Building your own template(s) might make the problem you describe go away.

Hope this helps.

Let us know if you discover what the problem/solution is.

Mike in Monroe

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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:34 pm 

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3rdtimer wrote:
[b]Let's work backwards and ask some questions. 1....What exactly are you viewing the exported video on?


Windows Media Player, and also the Preview of the Export shows it in anything but 16:9
In both Input and Output I am able to see it in 16:9.

3rdtimer wrote:
When you export the video, are you reviewing the "template", "detail" settings and "save as type" before hitting "save" to export your project? Aspect ratio settings can be changed following this path: Save As window>Template>Expert>Par (Pick one of the ratio's.)>>>>assuming you are building a custom template.


I tried creating a new custom template, I changed the ratio and saved, but is still does not Export it in a 16:9 format.

Hope this helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:42 pm 

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Hi ,

sbi wrote:
Hello,
I followed the "change aspect ratio" tutorial and set it to 16:9. Still, when I export, the exported files is NOT in 16:9. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,


Your problem (almost) only occurs if you try to recode material grabbed from a TV and you dislike those nasty black borders.
If I'm right, maybe I can help.
Be aware that the movie you see is 16x9, and the borders only are added to fill (pad to) a 4x3 display. Let's assume you have a perfect 16:9 picture with
(16x9) * scale factor, let us assume 50 for scaling,. we got a picture 800x450 (oops, no pocket calculator ;.- )
Your screen resolution is 800x600 (just an assumption), which is perfect for 4x3, the pic fits to its full width, but without stretching the vertical display, there will remain some rest of the screen not used by the picture. so what to do? If you stretch the picture in spite of these considerations, the result, of course, will show "long faces". So not to disturb the proportions, the rest mentioned above is filled with black borders. So cut away those black borders, and the rest, the "real" movie, will be at a ratio of 16x9. Understood?
So crop away those borders, leave the rest of the clip as it is (NO aspect filters or other toys), just save it with the hint to the player to interpret the content as 16x9. You can achieve this in
EXPORT/VIDEO/EXPERT/PAR -> 9/16
(only god knows why the Wombles exchanged the two valuse;
BTW::Hi admin: The expression PAR is wrong too, it should be DAR, Display Aspect Ratio, _not_ PAR, which stands for Pixel Aspect Ratio)

To cut off the borders, you may use the Cropper Filter, german: Zuschneider; for DVD input (720x576) you should crop top=72 bottom=72 left=12 right=8. For CIF input (like VCD format) you may take the halves, i.e. 36/36/6/4.
These values are true for most european TV stations that broadcast in PAL format.
Concerning the horizontal cropping, MVW is not too reliable, but you will not perceive it when watching on TV displays.
To prove you done right, take a piece of movie with some perfect round circle objects, like sun or moon or a church's clock. Some minutes are enough for testing, so you do not have to waste a lot of time for your experiments.If the sun still is a circle, not an egg, everything is alright. In 16x9.

Hope I could help

S.


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:26 pm 

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schlemiehl,

Thanks for your detailed response. Unfortunately 75% of what you said is Chinese to me :oops:

The bottom line is - I can already see it in the Preview window while Exporting that it is not 16:9.
Other than that - I am lost...sorry. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:05 pm 

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sbi......do not use Windows Media player to view your 16/9 videos. I have never had any luck with it. Use some other program...like this one:
http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/about-homepage.html ...then tell us if your problem went away.
Look for others on the web. VLC might be a good one for you. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html Click on: "Windows self-extracting package"

Let us know what happens.


Mike in Monroe

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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:57 am 

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The point is - if my file is successfully exported in 16:9 format, should I not be seeing it in 16:9 in the Preview window (while exporting)?


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:42 am 

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sbi wrote:
The point is - if my file is successfully exported in 16:9 format, should I not be seeing it in 16:9 in the Preview window (while exporting)?


Stuff the preview window. It's just a guide, not a 100% accurate representation of the dimensions of the final image. Play your original mpg in VLC and go to Video--> Snapshot. Do the same with your exported mpg.

Post both, clearly labelled, and I'll have a look.


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:33 pm 

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JeffB wrote:
sbi wrote:
The point is - if my file is successfully exported in 16:9 format, should I not be seeing it in 16:9 in the Preview window (while exporting)?


Stuff the preview window. It's just a guide, not a 100% accurate representation of the dimensions of the final image. Play your original mpg in VLC and go to Video--> Snapshot. Do the same with your exported mpg.

Post both, clearly labelled, and I'll have a look.


Ah ha! I downloaded VLC and was able to change it to 16:9 and it plays beautifully. Thanks!!


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:09 pm 

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:!: SBI..!..and THIMC..! :arrow: Windows Media Player is not the problem when you play your 16:9 video's on it. It's the DAR (Displayed Aspect Ratio) tag in your camera or video SD source. Click on the following link and read the entire post(s) carefully and then download "SDCopy" and follow the directions. Assuming all things in the posts apply to your situation, your problem should be solved. Click below.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7594_102-0.html?threadID=308647

I have a Canon FS100 that uses an SD chip. I just did all of the above and Windows Media Player displayed my video in the proper aspect ratio..16:9..not 4:3 like you were experiencing. Despite the fact that the other programs I pointed you to earlier work too, I much prefer to use WMP. For some reason my video's display cleaner on it than the others. Enjoy..! :lol:

Mike in Monroe

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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:48 pm 

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sbi wrote:
Ah ha! I downloaded VLC and was able to change it to 16:9 and it plays beautifully. Thanks!!


You are welcome, but if you had a 16:9 original and need to change an option in VLC to have the video display properly, the chances are that something went wrong at some point. I need before and after pictures to see if that really is the case.


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:11 pm 

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JeffB wrote:
sbi wrote:
The point is - if my file is successfully exported in 16:9 format, should I not be seeing it in 16:9 in the Preview window (while exporting)?


Stuff the preview window. It's just a guide, not a 100% accurate representation of the dimensions of the final image. Play your original mpg in VLC and go to Video--> Snapshot. Do the same with your exported mpg.

Post both, clearly labelled, and I'll have a look.


OK, I started to do that. turns out, I can change the aspect of the original to 16:9 in VLC and it will show in 16:9. So, can this be done in WMP?


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:13 pm 

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3rdtimer wrote:
:!: SBI..!..and THIMC..! :arrow: Windows Media Player is not the problem when you play your 16:9 video's on it. It's the DAR (Displayed Aspect Ratio) tag in your camera or video SD source. Click on the following link and read the entire post(s) carefully and then download "SDCopy" and follow the directions. Assuming all things in the posts apply to your situation, your problem should be solved. Click below.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7594_102-0.html?threadID=308647

I have a Canon FS100 that uses an SD chip. I just did all of the above and Windows Media Player displayed my video in the proper aspect ratio..16:9..not 4:3 like you were experiencing. Despite the fact that the other programs I pointed you to earlier work too, I much prefer to use WMP. For some reason my video's display cleaner on it than the others. Enjoy..! :lol:

Mike in Monroe


The file I am working on is from TV, recorded in TiVo, not from a video camera.


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 Post subject: Re: Aspect Ratio/Export problem
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:34 am 

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sbi wrote:
OK, I started to do that. turns out, I can change the aspect of the original to 16:9 in VLC and it will show in 16:9. So, can this be done in WMP?


You can change how you are viewing the file, but you cannot alter its properties, in VLC. I do not know if this can be done in WMP, and it is not ultimately relevant. To truly correct an aspect ratio problem, you need to identify problems with the material rather than just using settings in whatever media player you happen to be using.


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